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mi se pare remarcabila ''patina'' .Exista "kituri" de repatinare de vanzare pe net. Probabil o fi folosit ceva in genul asta. Oricum este un fals clasic daca pot sa spun asa. Din punct de vedere al stilului, cea mai proasta parte a lui este aversul. Am vazut de mai multe ori inclusiv pe ebay de vanzare piese din acest "lot", ca originale. Uneori vanzatorul era deasupra suspiciunii de a vinde falsuri cu buna stiinta, de unde trag concluzia ca monedele dacice sunt foarte putin cunoscute in afara. De fapt Gunther Dembski considera tipul Varteju Bucuresti ca moneda celtica decazuta (ca stil). Nu vorbeste despre posibila ei batere de catre triburile getice, desi pe Preda il mentioneaza la foarte multe tipuri, altminteri necunoscute altor autori (MGD fiind singura mentiune in aceste cazuri).
A crescut cota pe falsul ala. Probabil se va lua la pretul aproximativ corect pentru acest tip (original). Ca si cei de pe forumancient in ocazii similare, am un sentiment de frustrare ca nu-i pot preveni pe amatori ca-i un fals....Mai ales ca se zvoneste ca ebay va pune copyright pe toate imaginile de pe site, ceea ce va ingreuna "fake reports" de pe forumul mentionat, daca nu-l va bloca in totalitate.
Simpozion ARCHAEOMET mai 2008
Daca exista doritori sa asiste - locatzia este Biblioteca Academiei Romane - pot sa ma contacteze la bconst@nipne.ro
Va garantez ca sesiunile de numismatica antica si medievala vor fi interesante.
The Second International Symposium
“Ancient and Medieval Metalworks. Archaeology-Numismatics-Nuclear Analyses"
Bucharest, Romania, May 6th - 7th 2008
TENTATIVE PROGRAMME
Tuesday, 6th May 2008
• 915 Opening Session
• 930 – 1300 First Session: Bronze Age Metallurgy
Ernst Pernicka, Investigations on gold and copper objects from the Nebra hoard. (Provisional title)
Miljana Radivojevic, Thilo Rehren, Ernst Pernicka, Dusan Boric, Dusan Sljivar, The Beginnings of Metallurgy in Europe- Early Smelting activities in the Vinca culture
Anca Popescu, Bogdan Constantinescu, Bronze Age axes from the East-Carpathians area: XRF compositional analyses.
• 1100 – 1130 Discussions and coffee break
Alexandra Ţârlea, Gheorghe Niculescu, Mihai Florea, Bogdan Constantinescu, Compositional aspects of some Romanian Copper and Bronze objects from Bronze Age and early Iron Age
Alexandru Vulpe, Bogdan Constantinescu, Some remarks on the Perşinari hoard
Viorel Cojocaru, The queer gold daggers from Perşinari and Măcin.
• 1300 – 1430 Lunch
• 1430 – 1900 Second Session: Iron and Roman Age Metalworks. Where is the Gold and Silver coming from ?
Bogdan Constantinescu, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Ernest Oberländer-Târnoveanu, Compositional analyses of pre- and proto-historic precious metal objects from National Romanian History Museum: alluvial, primary and refined gold, electrum, auriferous silver
Beatrice Cauuet, Gold and silver sources from Independant Dacia to Roman Dacia. The mining site of Rosia Montana.
Barbara Deppert Lippitz "FAKE" - Forgeries of Ancient Goldwork.
• 1600 – 1630 Discussions and coffee break
Ivelin Kuleff, Milena Tonkova, Totko Stoyanov, Chemical composition of gold artefacts from ancient Thracia (Vth-IVth Century BC).
Ilian Iliev, Ivelin Kuleff, Chemical and lead isotope composition of silver jewels from ancient Thrace (Bulgaria).
Ivana Popović, Characteristics of Balkan-Danubian Treasures from the End of the 1st to the Middle of the 3rd Century.
Alexandru Barnea, Ioan C. Opriş, Eugen S. Teodor, Some considerations on Roman and Barbarian fibulae metallurgy. (Provisional title)
Corina Nicolae, Bogdan Constantinescu, Considerations regarding the bronze tablet discovered at Polovragi
• 1900 Cocktail
Wednesday, 7th May 2008
• 930 – 1300 Third Session: Analyses on Ancient coinages
Thomas Faucher, From metal to coins: experiments on Greek minting techniques.
Emanuel Petac, Bogdan Constantinescu, Analyses on Tomis autonomous coins and the politics of Mithridates VI.
N. Civici, T. Dilo, Sh. Gjongecaj, F. Stamati, N. Pistofidis, G. Vourlias, E. Pavlidou, G. Stergioudis, E. K. Polychroniadis, IIIrd century BC silver coins from Kreshpan hoard (Albania): data form bulk elemental analysis and microstructure studies.
• 1100 – 1130 Discussions and coffee break
Melinda Torbágyi, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Remarks on the silver composition of the Celtic coinage in Pannonia in the light of the recent analyses.
Theodor Isvoranu, Bogdan Constantinescu, Dan Ilie, Considerations about the metallurgy of the imitative coinage so-called „of Macedonian type” in the Lower-Danubian area, based on XRF analyses.
Aurel Vîlcu, Bogdan Constantinescu, New researches on Koson type coinage in the light of XRF analyses.
• 1300 – 1430 Lunch
• 1430 – 1800 Fourth Session: Analyses on Medieval coinages
Csaba Tóth, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Remarks on the late Hungarian medieval gold coinage in the light of the recent analyses.
Ernest Oberländer-Târnoveanu, Katiuşa Pârvan, Bogdan Constantinescu, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Some Remarks about the metrological standards of the Wallachian coinage during the 15 th Century.
Eugen Nicolae, Bogdan Constantinescu, Compositional analyses of some imitations of Ottoman akches of the 15th-16th centuries.
• 1600 – 1630 Discussions and coffee break
Ana-Maria Velter, Geo Niculescu, Viorel Petac, Compositions of Gold Coins minted in the Principality of Transylvania (II). The beginning of the new state [Ioan Zapolya (1538-1540) - Christophor Báthory (1576-1585)]
Lucile Beck, The analysis on a 16 th century hoard of pfennig coins from Eastern France by combination of PIXE and RBS.
Nikolaus Schindel, The Beçin Coin Hoard.
• 1800 – 1900 Final Session
• 2000 Dinner
Va garantez ca sesiunile de numismatica antica si medievala vor fi interesante.
The Second International Symposium
“Ancient and Medieval Metalworks. Archaeology-Numismatics-Nuclear Analyses"
Bucharest, Romania, May 6th - 7th 2008
TENTATIVE PROGRAMME
Tuesday, 6th May 2008
• 915 Opening Session
• 930 – 1300 First Session: Bronze Age Metallurgy
Ernst Pernicka, Investigations on gold and copper objects from the Nebra hoard. (Provisional title)
Miljana Radivojevic, Thilo Rehren, Ernst Pernicka, Dusan Boric, Dusan Sljivar, The Beginnings of Metallurgy in Europe- Early Smelting activities in the Vinca culture
Anca Popescu, Bogdan Constantinescu, Bronze Age axes from the East-Carpathians area: XRF compositional analyses.
• 1100 – 1130 Discussions and coffee break
Alexandra Ţârlea, Gheorghe Niculescu, Mihai Florea, Bogdan Constantinescu, Compositional aspects of some Romanian Copper and Bronze objects from Bronze Age and early Iron Age
Alexandru Vulpe, Bogdan Constantinescu, Some remarks on the Perşinari hoard
Viorel Cojocaru, The queer gold daggers from Perşinari and Măcin.
• 1300 – 1430 Lunch
• 1430 – 1900 Second Session: Iron and Roman Age Metalworks. Where is the Gold and Silver coming from ?
Bogdan Constantinescu, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Ernest Oberländer-Târnoveanu, Compositional analyses of pre- and proto-historic precious metal objects from National Romanian History Museum: alluvial, primary and refined gold, electrum, auriferous silver
Beatrice Cauuet, Gold and silver sources from Independant Dacia to Roman Dacia. The mining site of Rosia Montana.
Barbara Deppert Lippitz "FAKE" - Forgeries of Ancient Goldwork.
• 1600 – 1630 Discussions and coffee break
Ivelin Kuleff, Milena Tonkova, Totko Stoyanov, Chemical composition of gold artefacts from ancient Thracia (Vth-IVth Century BC).
Ilian Iliev, Ivelin Kuleff, Chemical and lead isotope composition of silver jewels from ancient Thrace (Bulgaria).
Ivana Popović, Characteristics of Balkan-Danubian Treasures from the End of the 1st to the Middle of the 3rd Century.
Alexandru Barnea, Ioan C. Opriş, Eugen S. Teodor, Some considerations on Roman and Barbarian fibulae metallurgy. (Provisional title)
Corina Nicolae, Bogdan Constantinescu, Considerations regarding the bronze tablet discovered at Polovragi
• 1900 Cocktail
Wednesday, 7th May 2008
• 930 – 1300 Third Session: Analyses on Ancient coinages
Thomas Faucher, From metal to coins: experiments on Greek minting techniques.
Emanuel Petac, Bogdan Constantinescu, Analyses on Tomis autonomous coins and the politics of Mithridates VI.
N. Civici, T. Dilo, Sh. Gjongecaj, F. Stamati, N. Pistofidis, G. Vourlias, E. Pavlidou, G. Stergioudis, E. K. Polychroniadis, IIIrd century BC silver coins from Kreshpan hoard (Albania): data form bulk elemental analysis and microstructure studies.
• 1100 – 1130 Discussions and coffee break
Melinda Torbágyi, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Remarks on the silver composition of the Celtic coinage in Pannonia in the light of the recent analyses.
Theodor Isvoranu, Bogdan Constantinescu, Dan Ilie, Considerations about the metallurgy of the imitative coinage so-called „of Macedonian type” in the Lower-Danubian area, based on XRF analyses.
Aurel Vîlcu, Bogdan Constantinescu, New researches on Koson type coinage in the light of XRF analyses.
• 1300 – 1430 Lunch
• 1430 – 1800 Fourth Session: Analyses on Medieval coinages
Csaba Tóth, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Remarks on the late Hungarian medieval gold coinage in the light of the recent analyses.
Ernest Oberländer-Târnoveanu, Katiuşa Pârvan, Bogdan Constantinescu, Gheorghe Niculescu, Migdonia Georgescu, Some Remarks about the metrological standards of the Wallachian coinage during the 15 th Century.
Eugen Nicolae, Bogdan Constantinescu, Compositional analyses of some imitations of Ottoman akches of the 15th-16th centuries.
• 1600 – 1630 Discussions and coffee break
Ana-Maria Velter, Geo Niculescu, Viorel Petac, Compositions of Gold Coins minted in the Principality of Transylvania (II). The beginning of the new state [Ioan Zapolya (1538-1540) - Christophor Báthory (1576-1585)]
Lucile Beck, The analysis on a 16 th century hoard of pfennig coins from Eastern France by combination of PIXE and RBS.
Nikolaus Schindel, The Beçin Coin Hoard.
• 1800 – 1900 Final Session
• 2000 Dinner
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Celtic-Imitation-of ... 0012293060 acest vanzator scoate ''celtice'' pe banda rulanta . nu stiu ce sa cred dar banuiesc ca nu e ok piesa.
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Re: Simpozion ARCHAEOMET mai 2008
Bun venit pe acest forum d-le dr. Bogdan Constantinescu! Suntem onorati sa va avem 'printre noi'.bconst scrie:Daca exista doritori sa asiste - locatzia este Biblioteca Academiei Romane - pot sa ma contacteze la bconst@nipne.ro
Va garantez ca sesiunile de numismatica antica si medievala vor fi interesante.
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D-le dr.Constantinescu,
(valabil si pentru alti potential interesati): pe Yahoo exista un grup numit Antiquities Science. Desi are doar 1 an, numara aproape 900 de membri acum, multi dintre ei fiind muzeografi, fizicieni, chimisti etc. care lucreaza in laboratoarele muzeelor si/sau au ca preocupare studierea obiectelor vechi (inclusiv monede) prin metode sofisticate (XRF fiind la loc de cinste). Imi permit sa va recomand sa va inscrieti in acest grup, mesajele si imaginile postate acolo ating toate nivelurile de complexitate, schimbul de informatii este incurajat calduros dar sunt interzise/descurajate abrupt orice mesaje de tip comercial:
Antiquities_Science-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
P.S. Sper ca n-am incalcat nici o regula a forumului postand aceasta recomandare. De retinut ca grupul acela nu are absolut deloc caracter comercial.
(valabil si pentru alti potential interesati): pe Yahoo exista un grup numit Antiquities Science. Desi are doar 1 an, numara aproape 900 de membri acum, multi dintre ei fiind muzeografi, fizicieni, chimisti etc. care lucreaza in laboratoarele muzeelor si/sau au ca preocupare studierea obiectelor vechi (inclusiv monede) prin metode sofisticate (XRF fiind la loc de cinste). Imi permit sa va recomand sa va inscrieti in acest grup, mesajele si imaginile postate acolo ating toate nivelurile de complexitate, schimbul de informatii este incurajat calduros dar sunt interzise/descurajate abrupt orice mesaje de tip comercial:
Antiquities_Science-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
P.S. Sper ca n-am incalcat nici o regula a forumului postand aceasta recomandare. De retinut ca grupul acela nu are absolut deloc caracter comercial.
Monedele Moldovei şi Ţării Româneşti http://monederomanesti.cimec.ro
O confuzie care se face si pe forumurile straine (uneori si pe cele "cu staif" - dar nu cu mult mai multa minte decat aicivalentinian scrie:http://cgi.ebay.com/Celtic-DANUBE-tetra ... 0217468195 asta este de la un vanzator serios dar dubii exista...
). Un "vanzator serios" nu este echivalent cu un cunoscator la fel de serios, ba chiar as indrazni sa spun ca n-am vazut vanzatori care sa fi aprofundat prea mult subiectul vanzarii lor. De obicei se limiteaza la a memora tipuri, cateva informatii cu caracter general (care-i ajuta in prezentare) si trendul pretului. Cam cum se face si la pariurile sportive Ma refer la cei dedicati vanzarii, nu la colectionarii care-si mai vand din piesele care nu le mai sunt necesare, pentru a face loc altora.-
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multumesc bersekr . uite o piesa http://cgi.ebay.com/HN-Celtic-Imitation ... 0234184746 pentrub care am stat toata noaptea cu burta pe '' mgd'' preda dar tot nu i-am dat d ecap...eu tind s acred ca este buna[autentica]
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