Medalie Constantin Hangerliu 1797-99

[PRONUMISMATICA]

O piesa interesanta de la licitatia Rauch Nr. 84, m-ar interesa sa stiu daca aceasta piesa este mentionata pe undeva in literatura, are cineva informatii despre ea?

[cristoph]

Exista un articol publicat in ultimele numere din Cercetari Numismatice, numai imi amintesc in care.

Din pacate am cartea la Rm-Valcea si cel mai devreme intr-o saptamana va pot trimite respectivul articol scanat.

[PRONUMISMATICA]

Merci, am destul de multe SCN, o sa le rasfoiesc diseara, poate cu putin noroc am si numarul in care apare articolul de care ziceti.

[tripleseven]

Daca gasiti articolul, il postati va rog si pe forum ?
Cred ca piesa o sa se vanda la un pret ridicat, cunosc citeva persoane care vor neaparat piesa !

[cristoph]

Merci, am destul de multe SCN, o sa le rasfoiesc diseara, poate cu putin noroc am si numarul in care apare articolul de care ziceti.

Cercetari Numismatice al Muzeului National de Istorie, nu SCN-ul.

Am gasit pe site-ul MNIR date despre articol. Este vorba despre numarul 7/1996

Katiuşa PÂRVAN
Contribuţii la cunoaşterea unor medalii de secol XVIII - XIX
[New Contributions to the Knowledge of Some 18th - 19th Centuries Medals]

Am dat copy/paste la rezumat de acolo, pentru ca nu stiu sa postez linkul spre fereastra deschisa.

New Contributions to the Knowledge of Some 18th - 19th Centuries Medals
The paper presents new variants of some 18th.19th century known pieces: a medal for the fights on the Danube against the Turks-October, 22-24, 1771 and coin-medals issued for Constantin Hangerli and tzar Paul I, bearing the Wallachian eagle on the reverse.

The first medal was struckin the mint of Sadagura, founded by baron Peter Nicolas of Gartenberg. It was struck by Friedrich Constandius, engraver and director of the mint. It is a variant of the already known medal (made of bronze, very rare), a proof of gilt-silver or a medal with a failed representation considered a reject as the representation and the legend on the reverse are too slightly printed. The struck not enough made a straight edge quite impossible.

Medals issued by Paul I and Constantin Hangerli.

Acording to a writing of Timoni, the former Austrian consul (1848), those medals were considered modern forgeries, made by two German engravers in the first half of the 19th century. Taking into consideration some observation, the diameter and weight of the same Russian coins issued by Paul I and Alexander I between 1797-1810, one may think of them as being coin medals, specific for the Russian mint in the 18th.-19th centuries, the so called Novodel type. This type has resulted from the stricking of some official monetary types with original dies-as a special command for collectors.

In this category it might also be included coins considerate proofs or medals that were struck with the observe die of some coins. They used to bear on the reverse different dies that were specific for some medals, also including certain elements that belonged to coins in circulation at that time.

Specific for that period are also the medals for which dies or orders and decorations have been used for the observe, i.e. the medal struck in 1810 by Tzar Alexander I for the officials of the boundary regions of the Russian Empire and the popular medal with hook struck for the coronations of Nicolas I and Nicolas II.

An analysis of the diameter and weight of these pieces as well as of the coins struck in that period let as think that the coin-medals with the name of Paul I and Constantin Hangerli could have been struck in 1807-1810, using the dies for one denga and one kopek coins.

In 1807 Alexander Hangerli had a sort reign of only several months. He was Constantin Hangerli's relative Alexander Hangerli was paied by the Turks to reign in Wallachia. He ended up talking the side of the Russians. He established himself in Poland and was naturalised German towards the end of his life.

It is possible that Alexander Hangerli had oredred this medal to commemorate Constantin Hangerli, killed by the turks in 1799. The medal was struck in 1807 or 1810 in an official Russian mint that was aquainted with Novodel type.

Hypothetically, one may observe an approchement between Paul I and Constantin Hangerli. That could have been another reason for the Turks to get rid of Constantin Hangerli in such a violent way.

[BogdanC]

Asadar piesa poate fi considerata o ''fantezie'' de sec. XIX Nici macar novodel, pentru ca nu are un prototip real, asa cum au piesele din argint atribuite lui Constantin Brancoveanu, care au ca prototip piesele sale originale de 5-6 ducati (aur). In plus ca stil cele doua categorii de 'medalii-monede' seamana destul de bine, desi "emitentii' lor sunt despartiti de ceva decenii bune...

[tripleseven]

O piesa interesanta de la licitatia Rauch Nr. 84, m-ar interesa sa stiu daca aceasta piesa este mentionata pe undeva in literatura, are cineva informatii despre ea?

Pret final fara taxe ... 2200 euro!

[heliokles]

Nu mi se pare exagerat pretul final.